tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9193910827847323491.post2606304347340378451..comments2019-03-16T01:15:14.647-04:00Comments on RE: Think: A Christian's Response: The Jewish Requirements for MaschiachUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger3125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9193910827847323491.post-92231541974992848012009-06-01T07:44:59.123-04:002009-06-01T07:44:59.123-04:00Tabatha. I'm very well aware of the objections Je...Tabatha. I'm very well aware of the objections Jews have against: 1) the notion of a second coming and 2) the bloodline of David. I am intending to address those in more detail in a later post. My first goal of posting this here was to have something to reference when I write on it in more detail later.<br /><br />A few points to clarify for you: <br /><br />First, Jesus actually did not advocate breaking the Sabbath. Instead, just as you have said, He defended the position that a dire need (such as medical treatment, or in His case, miraculous healing) was warranted. Read the text: <A HREF="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew%2012:1-13;&version=31;" REL="nofollow">Matthew 12:1-13</A>.<br /><br />Second, about animal sacrifice, we're well aware that sacrifice did not end in your temple on account of Jesus. The destruction and desecration of the temple in 70 AD was the cause. The point I make is for Christian readers, obviously, that <I>we</I> don't sacrifice because one sacrifice has been made for us, once for all. That's quite clearly a Christian doctrine that I don't expect Jews to subscribe to.Nick Carterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05389903464638309338noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9193910827847323491.post-86921863159346480272009-06-01T05:41:21.521-04:002009-06-01T05:41:21.521-04:00Perhaps I should also clarify the Jewish position....Perhaps I should also clarify the Jewish position. We don't criticise the Christian belief that Jesus is the messiah.<br /><br />We simply disagree when Christianity says Jesus was the Jewish messiah. <br /><br />It isn't Jesus per se that we don't accept; we don't accept any self proclaimed 'messiah' unless he fulfills all our prophecies in one normal, mortal lifetime. As you have noted elsewhere, there were many, many claimants to the title of 'maschiach', yet none were accepted and precisely for the same reasons that Jesus wasn't.<br /><br />I just want to make it crystal clear that Judaism spends no time critiquing Christian beliefs. The only time we discuss Christianity is when we, through necessity, have to educate young Jews on how to answer *some* Christian evangelicals who seek them out for conversion drives.Jew With A View/ Tabathahttp://ajewwithaview.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9193910827847323491.post-3413602454384425102009-06-01T04:47:12.039-04:002009-06-01T04:47:12.039-04:00Hi Nick :) - just wanted to say I haven't forgott...Hi Nick :)<br /><br />- just wanted to say I haven't forgotten about your questions on my blog; I want to give an accurate and detailed response so that's why I haven't responded just yet. I aim to do so either later today or by the latest tomorrow morning (UK time)<br /><br />While I'm here, I'll respond briefly to your post about the Jewish messianic prophecies.<br /><br />Yes, it does indeed seem that there is a bit of overlap and that both Jews and Christians are waiting for some of the main things.<br /><br />But of course there is one vital difference. The Jewish belief has always been that the maschiach, being a normal, mortal man, must fulfill all prophecies in one *mortal* lifetime. There is no 'second coming'. That is a purely Christian concept.<br /><br />One could also argue that Jesus was not an 'observant' Jew. After all - please correct me if I'm wrong - but according to Christian scripture didn't he advocate violating the Sabbath? Judaism allows us to break the Sabbath but only if it's a medical emergency or something akin to that.<br /><br />And if Jesus did indeed claim that the 'only way' to G-d was via him, then this again totally contradicts core Jewish beliefs. Judaism says that every single human being has a **direct** relationship with G-d.<br /><br />Also, while I appreciate that Christianity views Jesus as being from the House of David, he wasn't according to Jewish religious law. Tribal lineage has always passed via the father. If, as Christianity itself states, Joseph was not the biological father of Jesus, then no, Jesus wasn't from the line of David. Adoption does not count because it doesn't alter the actual bloodline, of course.<br /><br />Re animal sacrifice and the temple:<br /><br />There's an interesting debate between Jews, in fact, about whether or not animal sacrifice would resume once the temple was/is rebuilt. *Some* Orthodox Jews maintain they will resume animal sacrifice. Many other Jews - myself included - would not agree!<br /><br />It might be worth my noting at this point: sacrifice was only ever *one* route to atonement. And it was only for certain, specific sins. Throughout the Torah, we see that G-d showed his mercy to those who repented without sacrifice.<br /><br />I should also note: the sacrifices stopped purely because the temple was destroyed. Nothing to do with Jesus. <br /><br />You cite Romans a number of times; we'll have to agree to disagree on that :) Again, I'd argue that Christian scriptures don't get to redefine Jewish criteria for the Jewish maschiach.<br /><br />I'm still thinking about my response to the lovely bit of scripture you very kindly explained to me. Watch that space :)Jew With A View/ Tabathahttp://ajewwithaview.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.com